Our M8s – Stories

At first he felt “shy” because he “went to a new country and a new school.” However, this only lasted one or two days. Aruna started to feel more confident after he made friends with “Abdulla, Waheed, Aris, Hassan and Bavnar.”

When asked what the future looked like for him, Aruna replied “Football.” His ambition is to become a football player, with a goal of playing for “Man United or Benfica.” He plans to spend the money he earns from football playing on “buying a house, giving money to the poor and charity.”

The sort of charity work he’s interested in is “[building] more hospitals, build[ing] more schools and [funding] more clubs for football or any activities.”

“It started out of just plain curiosity, like, ‘I wonder what it takes to open a company, to register a company.’ So, when I went to go and look at what it takes to register a company… I came out and registered a company! And then, I was like asking myself, ‘I’ve registered a company but I don’t know what to do with it now!’”

“So, I started off as a gift shop on Etsy. One day I wanted to do an offer with wax melts. I didn’t have any wax melts [and] they were too expensive so I thought that I’ll learn how to make them myself! So, that’s how I got into making stuff… I thought ‘oh wow, this is really good!’ So, I started making soap. [Then,] I saw a free course on skin care and I was took!”

Now, Chiz makes and sells a whole range of products. “I do body creams and body lotions. I do things that help people who’ve got dry, flakey skin caused by psoriasis and eczema. I do anti-ageing, I do hyperpigmentation, I do hair stuff, I do shampoo bars, I do hairspray, I sell eco-sponges, body scrubs… I do several soaps. One of the wonderful things about my soaps is that [they all] have got a good array of oils and then shea butter, olive oil, coconut oil – they do something. They have ingredients in them that will tackle specific problems.”

“I have people who will call me from London, Liverpool… When people buy my stuff once, they look for me again and that’s really great… I get text messages from [them saying] that ‘we’ve run out’ and that they want more! There’s no age limit to what I sell… My products appeal to children and they appeal to adults as well.”

Chiz never thought she’d be running such a wide-reaching business. She used to be a manager in a substance mis-use service and she left this position last year so she could focus on Chizabella Organics Ltd. 

“I remember before I went into skincare, there was a period when I always used to think ‘eugh my skin looks dry and dull and everything’. I bought a whole heap of gadgets that I was going to use to sort this skin out… But, since I’ve been making my own, I’ve not bought anything from the store ever. Everything that I make I use on myself because I like to know how it feels. So, if you come back and say ‘oh I tried this and it irritated me’ or whatever, I could say ‘no it didn’t’, or ‘yes, I know that.’ You know? So, that’s what I do.”

When asked where she sees herself in five years time, Chiz said: “I’ve never said this out loud… I’m putting it out there in the universe now. I see a company buying one of my recipes for a very, very huge amount of money because I make products that actually do change people’s lives. So, I think where I see myself, is that one of these big companies would buy one of these products, my sea moss or the Indian hemp, whatever, and want to make it for themselves but they’d pay me millions for it.”

“I was working with an online brand on Instagram, doing sustainable fashion and curating it [but] I kind of wanted to do something a bit different. I wanted to run a Swap Shop, actually. And I then got in touch with Mark (Hamburger) somehow… I think my tutor [from university] got in touch with me and said Mark’s looking for someone to run a fashion fair. So I said, ‘Oh, I’ll run the Swap Shop in the fashion fair’, and then got dragged into running the Future Fashion Fair, which is obviously a great thing. Then, I came to [The Yard] and it’s the life. I would say it’s making Cheetham Hill a better place. 

“It’s an amazing space. Everything that’s done here is just promoting community and building something better in Manchester. We did a first fair in 2021; we did a two day fair and then it just kind of spiraled from there! We were going to do it four times a year, but we’re going to do it twice a year because it’s more sustainable.

“I didn’t actually know anything about Cheetham Hill when I first got the job. And then when I got here, I was like ‘this is sketchy’. That was before lockdown [when] I was living in the Green Quarter. So I would walk up past GRUB and then up those little stairs, and then over to Stock Street. And it’s just not a nice area – especially in winter when you’re going in the dark. It’s pretty sketchy and scary. So, when I first moved here, I had no idea… And there’s so many terrible drivers, people don’t really notice pedestrians, so it’s not a very pedestrian-friendly area. It was quite intimidating. And then when I got the second job here, I was like, ‘Oh, I know what I’m in for’ – you kind of build up a tolerance to the stuff that’s going on.

“We are in the centre of Manchester; a massive portion of that is Cheetham Hill. And it’s just neglected, which is so unfair, because the rest of town is so looked after and it should be the case here as well. I love the fact that we’re changing things here and making it better for people. I think the more people that know that we’re doing good, the more people want to come and be here, and the residents will also feel more comfortable moving freely.

I think the community itself can grow from here and build out to all the different areas around. So, it can kind of promote community from from here and just build it outwards… I don’t really know where I want it to go but I know it’s going to change the whole of Cheetham Hill. I think in the next 10 years, Cheetham Hill will be like Sale or it’ll be a prime location to be, or Northern Quarter more like. Because, Northern Quarter used to be like Cheetham Hill back in the day. As did Ancoats. So, Cheetham Hill’s the next area that’s gonna [be improved]…

“I think I’ll stay here for the foreseeable future, [but if I had a magic wand], I’d get rid of all the rubbish shops, the poor state of affairs, the buildings, everyone that’s doing dodgy things and the fast fashion… That’s rife in Cheetham Hill.”

“I came to England before the Second World War. I arrived on the 30th of June 1939… Certain dates you never forget… 10 days after I arrived I was 13. 

“I came with two sisters, Ruth was 18 months older than me and my younger sister Meryl was three years younger. Relatives [in Liverpool] on my mother’s side guaranteed us – the father [of the family] was [my] mother’s uncle – [but] I didn’t have a very good time because I was resented at every stage. You could say I was surplus of requirements and kept on a starvation diet. Every chance they got, they tried to palm me onto other people – they never succeeded. I was with them off and on for about 18 months. Finally, I acquired devious means and I got myself to Manchester where my life really began. 

“I lived in a hostel. The matron was ultra orthodox and we all had to comply… It was a girl’s hostel and there were about 10 or 12 of us. Some of us shared rooms with others. We couldn’t have a room of our own but that was no problem. The food was good, the matron was an excellent cook and at the time she was in her 80s, so she must have found it pretty hard but she did have help. We were well looked after. Certain rules you had to abide [by] but you get over those and you just automatically do whatever’s expected of you.

“I came to Manchester when I was 15… I’ve always wanted to do dressmaking and I did get a job in dressmaking. My aim in life was to make my own clothes and I’ve succeeded because I have made a lot of my own clothes. 

“I got married in 1949. I had one baby straight away and another baby the year after, as you do. The first one was a boy and the second one was a girl and 15 years later I had another boy. He’s just wonderful, my children are a blessing to me. My last baby was born in 65’.”

“I’ve met the present king [of England] when he was a prince on three occasions. I had to travel to London and my son took me to Kensington Palace. I was in the room on each occasion – I spoke to him twice. I shook hands with him. King Charles – Prince Charles as he was then – was a gentleman in every way. We sat around a round table and he shook hands with everybody. I think he added a few inches to his arm to reach the person opposite! But he shook hands with everybody and spoke to everybody… I have a photograph of the King and myself. A copy of it is at the Nicky Alliance [and] there’s another copy at the Imperial War Museum. 

“I know my [relatives in Liverpool] gave me a roof over my head, but unfortunately [they were] the relatives from hell. They had no feelings for me whatsoever, [they] treated me like a non person. But, they saved my life. If it hadn’t been for them, I wouldn’t be here now. So, I mean, I’ve got nothing to thank them for, but I should always be grateful because by bringing me over, they saved my life.

“I’m 96 years young today, so I’m not doing too bad.”

“I lived in Crumpsall all my life and I lived with my Mum all my life until she passed away 4 years ago. I have one brother and two sisters and we all lived on Crescent Road together. [We were a] very happy family. My Dad was a bus driver on Queens Road and my Mum was a nurse as well. Growing up I was always walking my Mum to work when we were old enough, meeting her after work, after lates. We all used to go together and I just decided that I always wanted to be a nurse.

“My mum was a very caring person and, I don’t know, I just thought ‘right, I’ll go and do my nursing’ and that’s what I did. I [did my work experience] there when I was 15 and then in 1974 I [signed up to be] a cadet and I was a cadet for two years. Then I did my general training so I’ve been there since 1974. It’s 49 years this year, and I’ll hopefully retire next year after 50 years. 

“I’ve always worked at Crumpsall [Hospital]. My mum, me, my sister Betty and her daughter – my niece – we’re all nursing sisters there. I can honestly say I have never ever [not] wanted to go into work. You know, people get up and say ‘oh gosh I’ve got to go to work tomorrow, Monday.’ I have never ever had that feeling. It’s lovely at Crumpsall. Especially as a family, it felt like a family. Everybody’s helpful… I did nights for 15 years while I had [my son] Sonny. So, my Mum used to look after Sonny at night, and my Dad and I used to go to work. But all my colleagues there, we all got on, we worked in loads of different departments. A&E, Surgical, Gynae… Every department we worked in. We were such good friends that once a year I used to arrange a trip. We got together, hired a coach and we went all over Europe at the weekends. Yeah, we did it for years and we’ve got some great photos and memories. We all really had a really good laugh doing that.

“I’ve worked there, had my children there and I was born there. So, I think Crumpsall definitely runs through my veins. Definitely.

“I’ve had my patients that have lived round Crumpsall all their lives and they’re so friendly. You know, they bring you eggs and I’ve seen their children grow up and they’re at work now. Yeah, I just feel like it still is a nice community. I still see the patients, even the ones that I don’t look after anymore. I still bump into them. They’re still friendly and yeah, I feel like it still has a community about it. 

“I think [nursing] has become more corporate. Everybody used to know everybody years ago, but now it’s like, ‘Oh, do you know somebody? No’, and you just don’t know as many people. My team and who I work with are all lovely and we’re still very close and we still go out for nights out and places. but it’s just a very, very big hospital.

“I’ve learnt a lot at the hospital. I remember seeing the first transgender operation in theatre, the very first and they have books to sort of guide them. There were several different types of surgeons in the theatre… So yeah, I felt privileged to watch that.”

When asked about bringing up her children in the 80s, Lesley said: “I’ll tell you what was different then – I know I harp on about this quite a bit – but to me, I can see both sides because I’ve definitely done it 18 years apart with [my daughter] Katie and [my son] Sonny. So Sonny’s age, there was no social media, there was none of these mobile phones. It was none of this sat in front of the telly. They were out and about, you know? You didn’t worry. They went to Crumpsall Park, they went to Haystone Park. They had friends who were over at Abraham Moss which was really good at the time because they had Sam’s Club. I definitely think that brought the community together. Abraham Moss, even Katie went down [to] the swimming baths. It was just easier in a different way… Sonny loved Crumpsall, he was all over. Skateboarding and out with his friends and yeah, it was a nice place.”

When Lesley retires she thinks she’d like to “go away for weekends, see my grandson more. I like going out with [my daughter] Katie, you know, travelling, and hopefully keeping healthy. I just like doing different things… I love doing the small things in life. It doesn’t have to be big for me… I’ve had a lovely family and I still have a lovely family. I think that makes a big difference.”

“When [my] children get bored, we take them outside in Crumpsall Park. It’s a good benefit for all people [that] they can enjoy freely without any cost. In winter, I was coming here more, but now the weather’s changed, we are going to the park. Children feel [better] in outside space. 

“[At this group], the staff are very nice and they are very welcoming to everyone – especially Tracy and the childminders.

“We are getting loads of stuff from [Rainbow Surprise CIO] – (a free food parcel and community charity) – for the children. [My 3 older children] go to school in Crumpsall [and the] school is also very good. The staff and teachers are very good [too]. When they need to go to any club, we live near them [so] they can join freely and I can go back again to pick them up. This area is very good for children. For children who are small, everything is near.

“When we are at home, [my youngest child] cries a lot. When we come to [Crumpsall Community Hall], he seems very happy and when we go back home, he quietly sleeps after eating. He is making a very good schedule when he comes here. He also learns manners because when he’s at home, I clearly love him but he does not have any discipline! 

“In the park, most communities [that are] coming are Asian. But here, [at the community hall], most people are white and they are speaking English. [At home, my son speaks] Urdu or Punjabi. [The English] language is new for him. 

Maham reflects on the welcoming community of Crumpsall and likens it to her experience living in Levenshulme: “People are friendly there also too. They want to talk with each other and want to listen to each other. This is very good for mental health and it’s free. You don’t need to go for a long drive! Because [people] do not have most [of their] relatives here, they also have the same need, just like me. Otherwise you’re just ‘baby baby baby’ all the time! Sometimes my children argue with each other, and my friend or contact comes and talks with us and they are very quiet and they listen; they’re calm. Meeting with each other has a good impact on mental health.”

TW: the contents of this interview includes references to conversion therapy and death.

Norman was “born in 1950. As a child, there wasn’t a lot of money about but everybody was the same in the area. I was brought up on the notorious Haywood Street! I’ve always tried to be a friendly, caring person. But to be honest, living in Cheetham Hill made me more caring, more spiritual, [made me want] to help people more ‘cause there was a lot of poor people, a lot of children, a lot of poverty. There were times I didn’t have anything, but I would say Cheetham has made me a better person.”

Norman explained how he got into nursing: “From the age of 11 to 17, I wanted to change gender, I wanted to transition. I was in the hospital Gaskell House. I was given electroconvulsive therapy, which I didn’t know was given, ‘cause you were “mentally ill.” Cause wanting to change sex [meant] you were gay, you were mentally ill. So, we had a course of electroconvulsive therapy and aversion therapy. I was determined to have a sex change but it didn’t happen and I thought I’ve got to get on with life. So, when I was 18½, I got a job as a porter on the private patients ward at Manchester Royal Infirmary. I worked there for about six months, then North Manchester General were advertising for Orderlies. It was called Crumpsall Hospital in them days. And I got a job as an Orderly on the orthopaedic [ward] because that was much nearer home – we lived on Woodlands Road then. It was very hard work on the orthopaedic ward – there were tractions, you had to clean all the bars of the beds, it was really hard work, but I loved it.
“Then, some of the nurses said to me: “Norman, why don’t you do your SEN?” (State Enrolled Nurse) And I said, I don’t think I’m clever enough! And they said: “Norman, we’re telling you to do your SEN.” So, after working as an Orderly for 20 months, I’d done my SEN, and that basically is how I got into nursing. I was a nurse from 1970-1981.”

Norman stopped working after becoming ill: “I worked on the male geriatric ward. And quite honestly, before I got married, I was working nights and I absolutely loved nights. I was on [the] Genito-Urinary ward most nights, B Block, at old Manchester General. But when I got married, obviously, you know, I couldn’t work nights. I would have done! I would have, but my wife says: “oh no, no!”

“So there was a job going on E3 for an SEN. And, if I’m totally honest, I got into a real rut. I worked on that ward for about 9 or 10 years and it was hard – I loved the old people I really, really adored [them] – they all had the stories, they’d all been somebody in the day.

“Then out of all things, because the mortality rate was high, I got scared of dead bodies. And I was very ill for quite a few years; I had a breakdown in 1984. That’s when I left nursing.”

After he left nursing, he started to find his way into charity work. “From a youngster, I could always read tea leaves! When I left nursing there was a child in Prestwich and there was an appeal going out for him. People would come to our house [and] I would only charge £1, read the tea leaves… I raised £268 for that kiddie. So, because people started filming me up, I started raising money for Save the Children, Christie’s Hospital, lots of different charities and I’ve raised a few thousand pounds.”

Norman went on to share how he discovered he was bisexual: “When I was in Gaskell House and I had the electroconvulsive therapy and the aversion therapy. Six months later I was back in there because I had a relapse. The first time I was in, I used to always sit with the women, I always sat with the women around a big table doing therapy. But the second time I was in, I decided to sit with the men and try and be more like the men. I didn’t get any support after that, but I could have done with a lot more support. And really and truly, if they would have gone ahead with the transition, my life would have been a lot happier than it has been… I didn’t know ‘til I was 34 I was bisexual. I thought perhaps I was gay, then I liked girls, so I thought I must be straight. Then I married my wife – we fell in love and I married my wife and we were really, really happy. But I realised a few years later, you know, I was still attracted to men.

“It was very difficult ‘coz I acted straight, I was straight-acting for most of my life. I was putting this face on. If I was with the other lads I’d stand with me hands in me pockets, you know, they swore, I’d swear, you know? 

‘I’d been married a few years and I realised I was still attracted to men. I thought well, how do I tell [my wife]? I can’t tell her. So, it was my secret. Then in 1984, I did have a breakdown because of this death problem that I had. And I was in Prestwich Hospital for three weeks… I was sat on the wall one afternoon and I thought: “I like women and I like men, I must be bisexual!”

“It took me 10 years to tell [my wife] I was bisexual… We’d had a bit of a disagreement and I had to walk around. It was pouring down with rain. I got back and I said: “I’ve got to tell you something.” And she says “what?” and I said: “I like men as well as women.”…She was upset, but not as bad as I thought.

“We spoke about it for a few days and I did go for counselling… She said to me“I did know,” she said, “I did know. I’ve never said anything but I did.” I said, “I’m glad you know.”

“[After she died], there was a mountain inside of me, it was ready to go into a volcano. I was actually praying for a way to come out. [I attended] a talk at the People’s History Museum [by the LGBT Foundation] and about the work that they do. At the end of the talk, they were looking for volunteers over 60 to make tapes, cassette tapes [about what life was like in the 1950s/60s for gay people]… “Was there any places? How did you cope?” A lot of people couldn’t talk about it in them days… When I’m long gone, young people’ll hear them tapes, and hopefully they will help people. They’re in the archives now in the central library.”

Norman reflected on his greatest loves: “[My wife] was Jewish, yeah. When I first met her, I thought “God she looks like a doll!”. She had gorgeous black hair. She had a lovely dark black dress on with blue on it. And we started going out together and I fell in love with her.

“There’s a synagogue at the bottom of Meade Hill Road… It was called the United Synagogue. But I think they’ve changed the name – that’s where we got married. It was five o’clock, on August 18th, 1974.

“Marilyn and I, we absolutely loved each other, we adored each other. When she died, part of me died… But, then Tony came into my life 15 months ago. I’d been going to “Out In The City Group” for a couple of years. And when he told me he liked me, I said I’d never had a relationship with a man – I’m not interested! But, he went to Bratislava to his sister’s, and he text me everyday and phoned me on Christmas morning… I found I was sat at home to see if he’d text me, so when he come back I thought, yes, I’m going to give it a go… I could not live without him now.

“Later on, when he comes in, I’ll be happy you know, I’ll have something cooked. I do all the cooking, he does all the washing up, you know. We’re always telling each other we love each other.”

Norman is passionate about the way women are treated in today’s society and his relationship with Judaism: “Women should be treated with respect – that’s why I like the Reform Synagogue because women are involved in the services. The lady Rabbis walked in the last Pride procession last year; I walked with them. We’ve got a big LGBT people, two men or two women who got married in the Reform Judaism – women are treated with respect.”

So, what’s next for Norman? “I’m going to be a Rainbow Buddy, [for] people who are trying to come out. It might be younger people, older people. They will come into the LGBT Foundation in Sackville Street and I will talk to them… They can tell me whatever they like. I’m just going to be a listener. And just [be] somebody for them to chat to. There’s a lot of isolated people out there… I want to get as far as I can… I like to be a voice as well for people who can’t talk for themselves sometimes…

“I think a 20 year old me would be pleased as punch with what I’m doing.”

“My name’s H but I like to use my radio name which is “Queen H” – or they call me Queenie!  I used to volunteer at All FM but then I had a stroke two years ago [and] that’s when I had to stop because I couldn’t leave the house.

“So, I’ve come back [to Rainbow Surprise]. I used to work with them beforehand… I volunteered for about 5 or 6 years. But then I had this 2 year gap because of my illness. I’m not supposed to be walking or talking actually and I’m doing both. That’s how bad my stroke was… I had another stroke – a TIA – in November. So, my left and my right side are both gone. I cannot feel hot water – I’ve got to put my foot in or my leg in to know and find out… It’s mind over matter, that’s it. 

“I didn’t think I was ready [to return to work]. They’ve never pressured me to do anything, but I’m here like – I walk around and do my bits… I used to live here in Cheetwood and I have known Shakar and Shabnam (who run Rainbow Surprise) for 7 years. The food bank started off from their living room and in 2020 we had to climb over potato sacks to get into the house and get out of the house!

“[I met Shakar and Shabnam because] I did a stall at one of their events in the park… I used to sell handbags. So I just came to the stall and I sold the handbags and then I came to another stall – I got into catering – and then I started doing food stalls and that’s how we became friends. And then I started doing voluntary work for them as well as my food stalls.

“It’s great because they’re great people, they’re smashing people… They’re not stuck up, they’re so homely, they’re very humble. If we get anything free, we give it you free. We’re not putting prices on it, we won’t do that. Like we’ve got free bread today, [so] it’s going out free… It’s really good. I love it… We’ve got a chairlift now as well. 

Since her stroke, Queen H has adjusted her life: “I just think of people who can’t walk and you know how people struggle, and it truly brings it out. I’ve always been a humble person and [getting ill] made me even more humble… I don’t suffer from blood pressure, but at the time I had the stroke it was 220. I don’t suffer from blood pressure – I don’t know how it went so high. I was at home luckily and they caught me in the sixth hour – the ambulance was called and my face was turning and I even know still that my face is not straight. But people don’t know that because, you know, you’ve not seen me from before [but] I know it has. It’s when I put my makeup on. No one knows ‘til I tell them and they go ‘have you?’. And I was supposed to be in a wheelchair at this moment and I would have had… They said that you won’t be able to speak or walk and I’m just looking at them:  ‘Alright, but I am, I am. I am, I will be!’ And the doctor said ‘Yeah, if there’s a miracle.’ Oh, shut up! I felt like saying, ‘shut up!’. 

“There’s some words I can’t say and I know I can’t say them so I try [to] avoid them… I had a speech therapist, she was amazing and [then] she left me alone. She went ‘you don’t need any more!’ But I’m not going back on the radio because I’m worried that I might stutter a lot. So, I’ve not gone back on the radio.

“At All FM – I used to do [a show] with Shabnam and Shakar – we volunteered. We did a show once a week but now we’re too busy to do that. Too busy, too busy.”

“My favourite performance to date was the performance I did in StageCoach on Shrek, and I was the main character Shrek. It was very funny… Everyone loved it at the performance. 

“[I’m part of] the Ukrainian Cultural Centre in Dnipro. I’m part of a dance club: “Orlyk”… It’s the traditional Ukrainian dance. It’s very uplifting… It’s very tiring as well… I’ve loved performing there. 

“I prefer singing [because] I can just stand. But, they both do require formal training… I always have to do my warm-ups every day. Even if I don’t have a show… Especially if I have a show. [I practice] every day – It’s to keep my voice fresh, my voice working.”

“The [Cheetham and Crumpsall] community’s very nice. It’s very diverse. There’s not a lot of discrimination as there would be in other places. [My favourite place to go is] the Ukrainian Centre but during Christmas time, I really like going to the Christmas Market… There’s tons of food, drinks… There’s these strawberries covered in white chocolate. I haven’t had one in so long and I can’t wait ’til I have one again!”

When asked about her charity shop work, Zaira said: “I’m a new worker, and I work here – well, at first, I was going to work for 4 days a week [but] now I’m 6 days a week, because I’m free – I might as well work here! The reason why I chose to work here was because I want to gain skills, and communication and I want to engage [with] customers and learn skills in a shop on a shop floor. When we’re home, I get depressed, I get anxiety and I’m down. So, I like to get out there and do something, talk to people, you know, socialise… I enjoy working here. And the reason why I enjoy working here [is] because it’s very nice, and the colleagues are very nice too.

“It’s hard to find jobs. [Charity work is] voluntary work and you don’t get paid for it but I thought that I’ll just, you know, start somewhere. ‘Cause I want to get out there. I love it…  I enjoy meeting people from all sorts of backgrounds. [Here, there’s] mostly Jewish [and] Hindus; I love it. And I enjoy it because it’s something different as well. If I applied to work [for] a paid job, I know that they would ask me for experience so I can say that I worked here… I know that this will get me into a job.

“I love the clothes. I love how the colours are but I don’t really buy anything from here, but I do love stacking them. I love seeing clothes. “Ooh, that’s nice. That’s nice. I love that.” I love seeing them. I would love to do more. I would like to do more charity work and help people as well. I would love to do that sort of thing. ‘Cause, I know that I’m working here, and this is for disabled people and their families [so] in a way, I am helping out by working here, but I think I would like to do more as well if I could.”

Outside of work, Zaira enjoys “going for walks and socialising with friends. I like going shopping, I like going [to the] cinema. I love pin bowling! [I love walking by] the water, it’s so beautiful. When you go in winter time, it’s quite cold so people will go in summer time. Night time is so beautiful, and so fun and amazing ‘coz it’s hot as well. I see more people there and it’s like, you see the lights on the buildings, like the ITV Studios… And BBC studios. With people, I love it. I love to go there all the time.”